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27 June 2012 @ 06:08 am
Wednesday, June 27th - Colorado  
I'm sure you've all read that Colorado is experiencing several severe fires. It's been very dry, and there's been a serious outbreak of pine beetles killing trees. The place is prone, right now. It's pretty scary. My dad called me to let me know that a fire started in Boulder. The location's behind NCAR in south Boulder - a place you can hike to from where I used to live.

Here's a site with info on how to help: http://helpcoloradonow.org/


Yesterday's Question - if you didn't catch it last night, here it is: http://djinni.livejournal.com/424119.html
There are great answers! I suppose I should let you in on what sparked the question. I'm thinking about the differences between jobs people only do because they want or need the money, and what people do when they have a calling. And, I'm imagining a future where the sort of work for which money is the only incentive being done by machines, and where we've managed to overcome limited resources.
If we, as a planetary society, are able to eliminate scarcity, would we fall apart? I don't think so. I think more folks will be encouraged to find and follow their calling. But, I also think trade is a strong motivator for peace, and I think the potential for ideological conflicts and grabs for power would be really high. It's a strong calling for humans, to be a part of something greater than ourselves, and being part of an ideological group is a powerful way to accomplish that. I can imagine the sort of unshakeable, repressive regime that could take power, given the technological resources necessary to create the utopia I'm daydreaming about. It is a pretty creepy thought, but I keep returning to the idea that maybe the machines need to be put in charge of running the show - it's another job people do for the money, after all.
one in a billion siege on June 27th, 2012 02:20 pm (UTC)
The people who are truly driven to Get All The Money will be driven later to Get All The Power, because greed is greed. If there's something important you can have, then they'll try to have it. Even when the effort is ultimately harmful and useless.

That said, I think the vast majority of humankind will spend a generation wandering around in a daze, unable to quite understand what work means when no person needs to actually do the work that nobody really wants to do. Lots of power grabs, only to discover that the people aren't leaderless, just wondering what their schedules should look like. Basically, early retirement for poor people and working stiffs.

The generation afterward will have been seeded with an explosion of adventure and creativity, and get itself down to the business of properly Being Human.
Westly Ehrin Roanoke: Roanoke - Bored at Computer westly_roanoke on June 27th, 2012 02:51 pm (UTC)
I, myself, am driven to "get all the money". But that's because to me, money=security. If I can't provide for myself I'm pretty much screwed, right? Right now money is a basic need, because in my world money is food, shelter, warmth in that it is what is used to purchase them. Could I survive in a world without it? Sure. But, right now, I'll go answer emails to trade for something that I can trade for other things.
one in a billion siege on June 27th, 2012 03:04 pm (UTC)
I see a difference between "money is how I'm able to live" vs "money is what makes anything valuable". Because what's being asked is a future hypothetical, there's no need to try to drag anyone back down to Earth; we haven't left yet. It's about understanding what people are when force of some kind (including economic force) isn't needed to keep us in our places. I see your words as saying "but we shouldn't talk about that, because we still need that force."

It's kind of like the story of an IT worker and a cop, where the cop asked whether putting an incompatible CPU on his ancient motherboard would make his computer faster, and the IT guy asked the cop if putting a large truck engine in a compact car would make it go faster. The cop sputtered that that was illegal! But the point was, the darn thing won't even fit! Legality -- needing force -- isn't even under discussion here.
Anke ankewehner on June 27th, 2012 03:40 pm (UTC)
I suspect the people who are now driven to Get All The Money tend to be in it not so much for the money itself, but for power and prestige. It's just that "I earn more money than you!" is at present used sort of as quantified prestige.

At least that's the only explanation I have for the obscenely high earnings in top management/banking.

It's a very different form of doing a job for the money than the "I need money to pay for rent and food, so I'll do whichever job will have me, even if I hate it" that's at the far end of what westly_roanoke described. I wouldn't consider the latter greedy.
Every Single Kind of Hero mazz on June 27th, 2012 03:34 pm (UTC)
Watching the one here by me is terrifying... 6400 acres to over 13000 over night. 32,000 people are now evacuated from their homes with "dozens" of homes known to have already been burned with more in it's path.
i'm glad i'm out of reach of the fire but so many people I know and care about are now in shelters or families' houses.
We're saving the little bit of space we have to take in Echo's sister who just had twins if they get evacuated out of Woodland Park.

I really hope thy contain the one in boulder so there isn't a second fire doing this much damage. I could see the flaming mountain yesterday but all i see now is this giant wall of smoke.
Tod: athena again djinni on June 27th, 2012 11:45 pm (UTC)
That is terrible. I'm really glad you're out of reach, too.

I read that the area right around NCAR might be good for holding back the fire. I hope the facility isn't damaged.
Rowyn: studious rowyn on June 28th, 2012 02:48 am (UTC)
I have this vision of improved labor efficiency, where instead of having "regular jobs", people would get online, find out who was willing to pay how much to do whatever the worker felt like doing anyway, and then the worker would go do it. Or maybe do something else, if what they wanted to do wasn't paying much.

This will probably never happen. But it would be neat if it did. n.n